Friday, 25 February 2011

The Doctrine of God - The Trinity

I have just finished reading this in depth book I borrowed, after my meeting with the Jehovah's Witnesses last week. It is excellent, though I did skim read some of it!

It starts with discussing the difference between the Jewish and Christian idea of God and how Jesus allows us to know God from within, on the inside, whereas the Jews had only ever known him on the outside. 'All partitions are (now) torn down, no more divisions.' Jesus' death has helped us to be risen up to God 'in the heavenly realms', able to stand in the presence of God the Father, through union with Jesus and in the power of the Holy Spirit.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses believe in is called Economic Trinitarianism which means that the Son and the Holy Spirit came out of the Father, in time, not in eternity. This separates the Bible into sections - Old Testament is the time of the Father; the Gospels are the time of the Son and after Pentecost is the time of the Holy Spirit (although the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the time of the Holy Spirit has now ended).
The book argues that the Trinity, though not mentioned as a concept in the New Testament, has its roots in the Bible. Jesus instructs his disciples to baptise 'In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' (Matthew 28:19). This is mirrored in his own baptism when all three are present (Father-voice; Son and Holy Spirit-dove). His disciples would have been baptising while Jesus was alive and after, before the manuscript was written, implying that it is the norm. In Acts 8 someone was only baptised in the name of the Son and this was considered inadequate, the Holy Spirit was needed too. We can fall into the trap of singling out one member of the Trinity so forgetting that they cannot be separated.

Paul refers to the Trinity (or the three persons) with varying order - another way of showing that no one particular person of the Trinity takes precidence over the other. All three have particular purposes and roles, though God cannot be divided and to say that the Holy Spirit possesses one quality that the Father or the Son do not have would be wrong. Co-inherence is the theology that all three persons occupy the same divine 'space', so to see God is to see all three at once. All three are therefore involved in the crucifixion but God is not dead - though they all suffered, it is in Christ's humanity that he dies. It was the son who offered himself as a sacrifice to the Father and it is the Holy Spirit who now makes that sacrifice effective in the life of the Christian. Jesus enables us to have a relationship with the Father so points to himself and the Father. We are therefore in the 'image of Christ' as sons and daughters of God.

In Revelation 1 the parallel between God the Father and God the Son are shown quite clearly. In verse 8, it appears God  the Father is speaking: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Jesus then appears to say in verse 17-18: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death." In the passages it is very unclear who is speaking, showing that Father and Son are interchangeable and reflect each other in what they say and do; they share the absolute power of God without losing their identities. The Holy Spirit makes the vision possible (verse 10) and each letter to the different churches ends with: "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

This book has highlighted where I was going wrong before - in separating the persons of the Trinity to discuss who is the most important and who has final authority. It doesn't matter - the three persons can't be separated: to see one is to see them all.

4 comments:

  1. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I have to say as nicely as possible, you don't appear to know what you are talking about when you describe what we believe. This leads me to think you have not done one thing and have done at least one of two things.

    What you have and have not done: Actually examine what we teach for yourself. A common problem we come across. Many people read what someone else has to say about our beliefs and get second or even tenth hand accounts... ever play telephone in school? Would you really expect a muslim to understand buddhism? why would you not examine the faith for yourself?

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  2. If you see my earlier posts you will see that I have had several discussions with a Jehovah's Witness including one of the elders - my knowledge is based on what I have read and what he is claiming he believes and what he teaches in his Kingdom Hall. If this is wrong it is not my fault and I am not claiming to know everything about what they believe. This is a blog about what I have come across not a tract about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
    In which particular am I wrong?

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  3. Hi, Love this post and am glad that the book helped.

    Matt, I am sorry to say this, but i think we have come to alternative points. We have either met rather poor examples of out-reach with the Jehovah's Witnesses that we know, or have a seperate branch of them.

    My family are "active" Jehovah Witnesses and through them we (Being Kelly and myself) have met weekly with two gentlemen discussing Christianity, following the "What the bible really teaches" book, the "greatest man who ever lived" and the "reasoning the scriptures book" as well as being given the Watchtower magazines. We read and learn the scripture from the also published by watchtower NWT Bible. From using all of these written sources as well as having these regular meeting (and not including the discussions with my family memebers) I would say that Kelly's interpretation is as accurate as Kelly as made out. We have been told that There is an Almighty God, (One God) there is acknoweldgements of three idendependant characters. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father being the Almighty God and Jesus and the Holy spirit coming from the father for a special purpose.

    I am sorry if that is incorrect, and I would hope that Kelly would like to be corrected where appropriate so we can bring up your concerns at our next meetings. As we have suggested, Kelly and Myself are only following the guidance of your faith by your representives.

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  4. Greetings Kelly

    On the subject of the Trinity,
    I recommend this video:
    The Human Jesus

    Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you to reconsider "The Trinity"

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

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